Welcome to the GRIT podcast - Getting Real; Immersed in Truth. This is episode 4 of our 5-part series titled Conversations in Black and White. How does a black female pastor lead her largely white congregation in a time of recognized racial divisiveness? What does the term “dangerous sermons” mean? I'll be talking to Pastor Kirstie Engel exploring these questions and more.

In this episode, I chat with Colleen, a white woman raising brown children. What does a white woman raised in rural America teach her brown multi-ethnic children about racism? What concerns does she share with black mothers? I'll ask these questions and more on GRIT Podcast-Getting Real; Immersed in Truth.

We're continuing our 5-part series titled Conversations in Black and White. In episode 2, I talk to Tate, Missy's oldest son, about how his relationship with his adopted sister from Africa, led him to become an ally, advocate, and activist for people of color.

We're starting with a 5-part series titled Conversations in Black and White. This is episode one where I talk to my good friend Missy about raising her adopted daughter from Africa and how it affects her view on racism and racial injustice in America.